What the others (except pistolero) said is correct, a 9 o'clock sweep and/or "low left" is very common with right handed shooters. Especially for shooters who arent (sic) used to the longer pull of striker fire guns.
Oh boy, is the above reply incredibly discombobulated! What's going on? Have we got another one of GlockForum.net’s infamous bassackwards, ‘
sock puppets’ here?
(We do, huh!)
First my words get turned around; and, then, I'm flat-out told that I'm somehow wrong. Amazing! (And all by the same, ‘
make-believe jerk’ with an, as usual, fictitious bio and phony-baloney credentials!)
While it is a trigger control issue, I find that grip often affects our ability to properly control the trigger through the shot.
This remark also, more or less, agrees with what I've previously written. How, then, am I wrong? A proper grip does, indeed, control how the trigger finger is disarticulated from the rest of the hand. Consequently, unless the grip is first properly established it is impossible to gain any sort of
CONSISTENT coordinated control over the trigger.
I'll bring the target in close and ask shooter to NOT focus on it - sometimes i'll turn it arround (sic) backwards so its just a blank piece of paper. Point the gun at the paper and focus only on the sights. Watch then (sic) through the shot, they should move straight up and down during recoil. If they do not, the grip needs adjusted. How far they moved up/down doesnt (sic) matter, only that the gun stays straight. If the gun is staying straight through recoil but shots are still moving left, then ill (sic) start working on the trigger finger.
That’s, kind ‘a like, ‘
putting the cart before the horse’ now; isn't it! Somebody appears to be an unusually discombobulated and badly, ‘
cornfused’ Pistol Instructor; and (respectfully) it ain't me!
The above quoted reply is like a bad joke! Either preignition or post-ignition muzzle shift (Which is what we're really talking about, here.) is almost impossible for an observer's eyes to notice and/or follow. This is, ‘Why’ the results always have to be analyzed after the shot and
ON THE TARGET instead of while the shooter is still firing. What GlockGuide is describing, here, is either dry-firing technique, or what's now called a, ‘
wall drill’. Both methods are student familiarization techniques -
NOT any sort of useful or correct live fire drill.
What's with all the erudite-sounding recoil nonsense? ‘
Yada, yada, yada!’ ‘
Blah, blah, blah!’ The ridiculous sock puppet who calls himself, '
GlockGuide’ doesn’t have a clue - Not a clue! For the past 25 + years students have repeatedly told me that I’m an outstanding pistol instructor; and, to be perfectly candid, I think they’re right, too. I do take pride in the craft, and I, also, believe that I understand the dynamics of pistol shooting - not well, but - very well; (and, if success is measured by results, then, I’ve helped to produce several outstanding marksmen to prove it!)
During live-fire pistol training exercises, the less I see a student's pistol recoil then the happier I am; (and the more promise that student shows!) What I look for isn't either, ‘
recoil’ or, ‘
muzzle flip’; instead, it's the straight-line back and forth motion of the pistol while the shooter is actually firing.
WHEN YOU'RE MOVING FAST WITH A PISTOL AND YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE EVERY SHOT COUNT, THEN, THE VERY FIRST THING A PISTOLERO HAS TO DO IS TO PROPERLY SET HIS GRIP - PERIOD. NO IF'S, NO AND'S, NO BUT'S!
Dont (sic) "tap" (a.k.a. slap) a pistol trigger, especially a DAO like Glock. Also, I strongly advise against overtravel stops on Glocks meant for defense - taking out overtravel can result in the gun failing to fire, especially if it gets a little dirt/crud in it. I use them on my competition gun but never a carry gun.
What? Bullhooey! Just plain bullhooey! First of all Glock pistols are
NOT built on a DAO design. For a few years, there, Glock pistols were classified as being DAO by the BATF; but, that was only done in order to allow Glock pistols to be imported into this country in spite of the BATF's own incorrectly promulgated rules. Today, the earlier incorrect importation rules have been changed to more correctly describe Glock pistols as being
STRIKER-FIRED. (Which is what every Glock pistol actually is.)
‘GlockGuide’, (And I use the term loosely!) I don't know who you think you're fooling; but it certainly isn't me; and I would hope it's not too many other people on this board, either. Your so-called, ‘
expert advice’ positively stinks - Stinks! Modern combat pistol technique does NOT teach, ‘pulling’ a pistol's trigger. The words used to correctly describe proper trigger technique by most of the modern pistol trainers I’m familiar with are either, ‘tap’ or, ‘press’.
(Know what? I’m actually worried that someone's going to take your remarks seriously because - if you don't stop posting this sort of outrageous, phony-baloney, ‘
techno-crap’ about pistol shooting, you just might cause an otherwise innocent person to wind up being injured -
Injured, you childish schmuck!)
Another thing: I have properly installed trigger stops in all of my EDC Glock pistols; trigger stops that have been in place, and have continued to work
FLAWLESSLY through between 40 and 50 thousand fired rounds, each - Each! (That’s
TENS OF THOUSANDS of fired rounds!) In order to be more believable what you should have said is something like, ‘
An improperly installed trigger stop might, ....... yada, yada, yada.’
(Understand?)
I aslo (sic) recommend shooter stay (syntatical omission) with the stock trigger until they've (sic) mastered it before going to a lighter connector. The lighter connector can cover up trigger control problems. Covering up the problem will keep you from getting from good to really good!
What’s that stench? More bullhooey! There is absolutely no empirical evidence, anywhere, to substantiate the above remark -
NONE!
A factory-stock Glock trigger can be so horrendously bad (heavy, gritty, creepy, and difficult to let-off) that
ANY reasonable improvement a Glock shooter can make in order to improve the trigger - short of trading in his Glock on another brand pistol like a SIG with a, ‘DAK’ trigger, or an H&K with a, ‘LEM’ trigger - could provide an immediate improvement in the student's scores.
‘
GlockGuide’, (and, again, I use this preposterous term very loosely!) I don't know who you are, or exactly what you’re up to; but your, ‘
professional advice’ is awful; and, for the sake and wellbeing of other GlockForum.net board members, I hope nobody on this website takes either you or any of your fascinating, ‘
Mulligan stew’ sort of advice seriously.
You appear to be, at best, badly confused; or, at worst, something of a sociopath. For someone who claims to hold the credentials of an NRA certified (pistol? pistol?) instructor, you show a remarkable lack of technical experience along with a genuine professional naïveté. (You don’t know what you’re supposed to be talking about - Do you!)
At the very least you're behind the times, ‘
Mr. GlockGuide’; and, in my considered opinion, if you are, in fact, that accredited pistol instructor you claim to be (Which assertion, among your other erroneous statements, I seriously doubt.) then you should stop wasting your time on a gun board, and make every effort to promptly sign yourself up for some serious (including basic, beginner-level) recertification.
ADDED: Striker-fired pistols do
NOT have a long trigger pull; what they have is a long front-end trigger
TAKE-UP, instead. (The long take-up is an additional safety feature that most people - including many so-called, ‘
Glock Armorers’ - don't even realize is there!)
Your sig line, also, states that you are an, '
Advanced Glock Armorer'; but we, both, know that you barely recognize which end of a gun the bullet comes out of; so what readers really have here is just more of your usual bullhooey! You should be ashamed of yourself; and whoever is actually running this website is highly remiss to allow you to continue on as you’ve been doing.
GLOCKFORUM.NET IS SUPPOSED TO DEAL IN PISTOLS AND PISTOLCRAFT - NOT TOYS FOR IMMATURE SOCIOPATHS WHO ARE FASCINATED BY GUNS, LOVE VIOLENCE, AND HAVE NEVER GROWN, THE HELL, UP.