Illinois New Eavesdropping Law Is A Terrible Idea (a law to get around a law)

Illinois New Eavesdropping Law Is A Terrible Idea (a law to get around a law)

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    Illinois New Eavesdropping Law Is A Terrible Idea (a law to get around a law)

    In the wake of the deaths of Eric Garner, Mike Brown, Tamir Rice and others, many questions have been raised about police shootings, tactics and the militarization of local police departments. A major contributing factor to this new era of transparency has been a citizen's right to film the police, upheld by the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals in 2012.

    The Illinois Legislature wants to change that.

    Even though the Illinois Supreme Court struck down the state's overbroad eavesdropping law, which had led to multiple citizens being arrested and charged with felonies for filming police officers without their consent, earlier this year, on Dec. 4 the Illinois Legislature introduced a new bill that would have nearly the same effect.

    Senate Bill 1342 would criminalize any "oral communication between 2 or more persons" that was surreptitiously recorded where one party, including police, had a "reasonable expectation of privacy." The Illinois Supreme Court ruled that police in performance of their duties in "public," do not have an expectation of privacy, but did not define "public."
    so basically it's an "arrest you" law until the courts make a decision.


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    How long until jaywalking is a felony?

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    I don't understand we can't film them but they want my tax dollars to put video cameras on them that they can conveniently turn in and off.

    On a serious note police are people working or not my rights clearly dictate I can record in a public place without violation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanashi View Post
    On a serious note police are people working or not my rights clearly dictate I can record in a public place without violation.
    I thinks it's a slippery slope. I agree that their should be no law banning the recording of a police officer while performing their duties as long as it does not interfere. They are in public and to my knowledge it is not illegal to record and or take pictures of people in public as long as no one is being harassed. However once a citizen and or police officer ask a person to stop recording and they don't does that become harassment. No according to the ppaparazzi. I think of my situation as a teacher in a public high school. Last year a fight broke out and as I was helping to break up the scuffle a student was in my face recording me. I had another teacher grab him (not literally) and we brought him and his cell phone down to the SRO office whom made sure the video was erased of me. I did not want to land up on YouTube. All I was really doing was yelling for the students to stop and for other students to clear the hallway until admin. And the SRO showed up (I will only break up a fight verbally I will not put my hands on a kids outside of a hand shake for all students). Also school policy does not allow cellphone use inside school. So their lies the question. An American citizen Public Place should they or shouldent they be aplowed to record teachers in action without consent. Now an officers situation is a bit different but also similar. Should teachers also have to wear body cameras. And should it also record audio. Its a slippery slope all around. Many police abuse power such as many do not just like teachers. With police wearing body cameras I see how it is beneficial however it seems very 1984 to me as well.

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    You have a few good points when it comes to privacy and interfering. You should not interfere with an officer, in public you dont really have a right to a full level of privacy.

    Maybe if a video can be proven to have been used in a distracting or embarrassing manor the recorder can face consequences. However, that kind of muddies the water and is probably going to make things even more complicated.

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    Most recent EX was a teacher in high school. She wasn't allowed to have a camera in the classroom to document the little bastards that misbehaved. It violated their privacy rights. What privacy? They had them in the hallways. They could take the videos and slap the denying POS lazy blame everything on everyone except for my kid parents in the face.

    For $45 she could have put a cell phone jammer in the room, it would have probably wiped out every cell communication in the school. That would have hindered emergency communications. It would have messed up the teachers who texted in class too!
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