Buyers remorse $$$ gen 4

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Nimm

Discussion Starter · Mar 31, 2013

Happy Easter Everyone...

I recently picked up a Glock 23 (40 S&W) GEN 4 for roughly $570.00...

I was so excited to get my FIRST side arm...

I experienced a STOVE PIPE jam on The first magazine I ever ran through this gun approx. on bullet 3 or 4...

This made my heart sink because I understood that glocks were suppose to be the 'Throw in mud' / 'Run over with your truck' / 'Beat + Neglect ' (STILL FIRE) Kind of Gun...

After I researched the issue and found out people were having ejector issues I contacted GLOCK and paid $100 Dollars to Safely Overnight Ship my firearm to the Company...

I received my gun back a few weeks later with no maintainence done what-so-ever.. All the gentleman said was that they Ran a Few magazines through it and it seemed fine so they sent it back as 'Functional' ...

TODAY...
I was excited to go back to my shooting range and have some fun with my pistol since I havent fired it since I got it back from GLock..

Needless to say I am firing a NEW type of Ammo this time.. Federals this time... I was using Winchesters the first time I ever shot my gun..

Anyways..

First Magazine.. Stove Pipe AGAIN...

To sum it up..

I purchased this Hand Gun for Self Defense... I would NOT want this to happen in a life or death situation..
What do you guys think I should do?
I am really discouraged now with my Side Arm..
I don't know if I should send it back AGAIN .. just to have them shoot a Mag through it and stamp it FUNCTIONAL again..

I know these GEN 4 Posts are probably the most over-looked complaints in the history of the Glock.. but any feed back will be respectfully acknowledged.

Thank you for taking the time to read my post,

Best of luck,

-Danny

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· #2 · Mar 31, 2013

Nimm said:
Happy Easter Everyone...

I recently picked up a Glock 23 (40 S&W) GEN 4 for roughly $570.00...

I was so excited to get my FIRST side arm...

I experienced a STOVE PIPE jam on The first magazine I ever ran through this gun approx. on bullet 3 or 4...

This made my heart sink because I understood that glocks were suppose to be the 'Throw in mud' / 'Run over with your truck' / 'Beat + Neglect ' (STILL FIRE) Kind of Gun...

After I researched the issue and found out people were having ejector issues I contacted GLOCK and paid $100 Dollars to Safely Overnight Ship my firearm to the Company...

I received my gun back a few weeks later with no maintainence done what-so-ever.. All the gentleman said was that they Ran a Few magazines through it and it seemed fine so they sent it back as 'Functional' ...

TODAY...
I was excited to go back to my shooting range and have some fun with my pistol since I havent fired it since I got it back from GLock..

Needless to say I am firing a NEW type of Ammo this time.. Federals this time... I was using Winchesters the first time I ever shot my gun..

Anyways..

First Magazine.. Stove Pipe AGAIN...

To sum it up..

I purchased this Hand Gun for Self Defense... I would NOT want this to happen in a life or death situation..
What do you guys think I should do?
I am really discouraged now with my Side Arm..
I don't know if I should send it back AGAIN .. just to have them shoot a Mag through it and stamp it FUNCTIONAL again..

I know these GEN 4 Posts are probably the most over-looked complaints in the history of the Glock.. but any feed back will be respectfully acknowledged.

Thank you for taking the time to read my post,

Best of luck,

-Danny

Danny you might have a defective gun buddy. Or maybe the mag is bad. Here's a video showing a Glock 23 Gen 4 being fired without a hick.

[video=youtube;kXS3c110Te4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXS3c110Te4[/video]

jdw174

· #3 · Mar 31, 2013

OK, I'm going to give you the standard answer here. If this is your "very first sidearm", then I say you have a ways to go

. Glocks are susceptible to "limp wristing", meaning simply that your wrist isn't locked when you fire the pistol. This doesn't give much for the slide to move against to fully cycle. Gen 4 dual recoil springs especially need a solid platform to recoil against. As you are a first sidearm shooter, I can't urge you strongly enough to get yourself some basic handgun training. Once you get the proper grip, etc., down, I'd be willing to bet your .40 will function just fine. For a better idea of what I'm talking about, go to YouTube and run a search on Glock Limp Wristing. There are videos there demonstrating this. Don't give up the ship.

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Brudlbdings

· #4 · Mar 31, 2013

I'm sorry to hear about your issues with your new weapon. It's made much worse IMO by the fact it's your first purchased handgun.

I don't want to offend you but as pertains to the problem you're having with it, I like to start with diagnosing the shooter. The usual response to that is to get defensive. I understand that reaction. However as Glock has been making excellent firearms for decades now, and the Glock 22 is a very popular model with many police departments it's unlikely, although not impossible, the problem isn't the gun.

Also you're shooting major brand ammo, not homemade junk or reloads. So again unlikely, although not impossible, it's the ammo.

That leaves the shooter. Do you have a strong grip? Are you gripping the weapon high under the slide? Are you anticipating recoil and lifting the muzzle? I'm not saying you are, I'm attempting to diagnose. Have a friend or family member shoot a couple mags. See if they experience the same issue.

I was at the range one Saturday and a guy inboxes his brand spanking new G19. He puts 2 or 3 mags down range and barely hit paper. He then declares his weapon to be inaccurate and a disappointment. I shot 10 rounds and none were outside the 9 ring at 10 yards in not too rapid fire pace. It wasn't the weapon.

Again, I'm not saying it is you, I'm saying positively rule yourself out as the cause. Then go from there.

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yogiboobooranger

· #5 · Mar 31, 2013

Once you figure out whether it is you or not, then do this: Do Not send the gun back to Glock. Get the little ring adaptor needed, and put in a Gen 3 recoil spring assembly into your Gen 4 gun. I would even go so far as to get a Wolff spring assembly for it. But alas, I feel as others do, that you are improperly gripping the Glock and limp wristing it. Sand bag it and shoot it, or give it to another experienced shooter so as to evaluate the gun on its own.

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Nimm

Discussion Starter · #6 · Mar 31, 2013

Thanks for the Fast Feed back guys.. Great Community..

I have never even thought about the term 'Limp Wristing' nor did I pay much attention to the FIRMNESS of my grip..
I may be an inexperienced Pistol Shooter...

I am going to to Research Tighter Gripping methods.. and Watch some Training Videos..

I will then go back to the Range and I'll keep you guys posted on my next Box I run through my 23..

Thanks again,

Goodluck

-Danny

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· #7 · Mar 31, 2013

One more thing Danny. If you have a hard time grabbing the 23, use gloves. It will help.

LightSaber

· #8 · Mar 31, 2013

Also, if at all possible, have a certified trainer correct you on the spot. Learn the right way the first time and you won't have to spend countless rounds unlearning the wrong way.

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Nimm

Discussion Starter · #9 · Mar 31, 2013

I came across these two Videos..

What do you guys think of the 360 Team Grip... I actually was shooting 'Tea-Cup' Style... this may have been a part of my Limp Wristing Issues.

I also found a very informative video about 'Limp Wristing' ...

Any opinions are respected..

I really like the advice.

thanks,

-Danny

360 Tactical Training - Handgun Grip Fundamentals - YouTube

Limp Wristing Glock Pistols - YouTube

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jdw174

· #10 · Mar 31, 2013

By all means, STAY AWAY FROM THAT INFERNAL TEACUP GRIP!!! The Weaver Grip shown in that video is correct. You want your shooting hand as high on the grip as you can get it. If you happen to end up with a little "slide bite" you can easily fix that with the addition of a beavertail from Grip Force Adaptors. However, that doesn't happen with everybody. I've seen photos of trigger guards that have been relieved on the underside to allow the off hand to get just a bit higher as well, but it's not a necessity. Some people wrap their off hand index finger around the front of the trigger guard and it would seem that it's designed for that, but I for one don't like that style at all. Experiment until you find what suits YOU.

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yogiboobooranger

· #11 · Mar 31, 2013

Check this site out. I shoot with thumbs forward, with the right hand gripping front and back of the grip frame while the supporting hand grips over the shooting hand, applying pressure side to side of the grip frame. My thumbs face forward, barely touching the gun.
The Proper Pistol Grip | The Shooter's Log Try this method and see how it works for you.

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NName591

· #12 · Mar 31, 2013 (Edited)

The great thing about precision, is that it requires the shooter to also be precise. Agreed - limp wristing is something to check out. I come from an upbringing with just exclusively long guns. Put a handgun in my hand, and with one explanation, I will (in my head) think I understand how to shoot. But, my husband, who was raised on Glocks, gave me the best advice knowing my wide experience with long guns - take a basics hand gun course with a VERY knowledgeable and even personal Glock instructor. So I took one with an ERT (aka SWAT) instructor and the first thing he "yelled" at me was to ensure I don't limp wrist. Sure enough I found myself almost doing it, but I *was* catching myself once he showed me for what to look. I know well trained, retired guys who still take a class now and then for the feedback because they don't take anything for granted. It gets you off on the right footing too with your Glock (for that matter - any handgun you might have chosen).

With good instruction - concentrate on the stance, the grip and the front site, and the gun will do the rest. I took the class immediately just before my CHL pre-qualification and shot a 238/250. The Glock performed perfectly...

Keep us posted...you aren't the first with your quandry, and you wont' be the last. Once you get this sorted through, you'll be glad you took the time. Anything worth doing ...you know the rest.

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Swosanity

· #13 · Mar 31, 2013

For a newb you guys/gals are awesome. This is the first post I read on this site and gained a new appreciation for your time and patience for folks like Danny and me who are trying to understand our guns.

Thanks
Dale

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slickrocktom

· #14 · Mar 31, 2013

Swosanity said:
For a newb you guys/gals are awesome. This is the first post I read on this site and gained a new appreciation for your time and patience for folks like Danny and me who are trying to understand our guns.

Thanks
Dale

I have found that this is the best Glock site their is

newfenoix

· #15 · Mar 31, 2013

It sounds like you are limp wristing the pistol. But if you don't want it I'll give you $450.00 for it.

mercer59

· #16 · Mar 31, 2013

Welcome to the forum.I too had many reservations about the Gen4 but purchased a G19 anyway.Field stripped it and wiped it down reassembled it and put about 300 rounds of everything FMJ that I could find,reloads,115,124 grain and some stuff I don't even know what it was.......Not one FTF or FTE,slow deliberate firing and rapid firing as fast as I could pull the trigger......No problems at all,except for running out of ammo. I was very relieved that none of the horror stories I had read about never occurred,so don't give up on your GLOCK,you'll be glad you stuck with it......

newfenoix

· #17 · Mar 31, 2013

Don't ever "teacup" any pistol.

LightSaber

· #18 · Mar 31, 2013

newfenoix said:
It sounds like you are limp wristing the pistol. But if you don't want it I'll give you $450.00 for it.

Don't let him sweet talk you. I'll give you $425.

mercer59

· #19 · Mar 31, 2013

Heck blue label it......$375.00 all day long.......

texcowboy

· #20 · Mar 31, 2013 (Edited)

Classic limpwristing, use the thumbs forward grip as described in a post above. The 40 cal has a snappy recoil menaing it recoils upward more than backwards. Maintain a firm grip allowing the slide to fully cycle and you will be good to go.

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