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So, I was reading over a new members post about how his wife works for the crime lab and how they were going to upgrade to the new Gen4 glocks shortly. My question is this... Why is the government replacing a perfectly working gun?
I understand after awhile (years and years) you might want to upgrade. And maybe an upgrade from a revolver to a semi in some departments would be understandable. (Upgrade?... Maybe...:p)
But in this struggling time where our government (federal, mostly I know.) is over spending, why are we going out and buying an "upgraded" gun that performs exactly like the version it is replacing save.... some back straps and possibly the RTF version?

I am not in any way bashing that users wife, or her crime lab. I am just frustrated at this nonsensical use of tax payers money.

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PS Its in this section because they are upgrading glocks and there is no other section for it.
 

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I agree with you, why replace a perfectly good weapon, seems like a total waste of money to me. Considering that there really isn't that much of an overhaul / upgrade to the Gen4's.
But, this is the Government, what else can be expected.
 

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If it's true, it's probably because Glock sold them the idea that they should replace them ;)

Personally I like the feel of gen4 a lot better so ergonomics is likely the main reason.
 

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My post is the one that started this, but I do not have a definite answer for you. As far as I know, her Glock is still in good working order. She has had it since beginning with the crime lab 10 yrs ago. When she received this Glock as her official piece, it was not new. How old was it/how many rounds through it before she received it, I do not know. All she has said is that they are replacing certain models and that her current Glock 23 is one of them. Fiscally, I can see why some woul dhave an issue, but their protocols may also call for newer equipment after a certain period of time. I am extremely green when it comes to guns, so the durability and "life" of a well operating gun is not something I can comment on. Looking forward to hearing further discussion.
 

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Part of the answer lies in how the military budget has grown over the last 10 years from 300 Billion a year to 750 Billion a year, I`m guessing they think the taxpayer has very deep pockets.
 

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I see this is an older thread but, to shed some light...The department probably had "fallout" money...money that will be lost the following year if not spent in the current year. Asinine for sure but that's how my AF outfit handled it each year. Our bosses would come around near the end of the fiscal year and ask what we wanted...there weren't many limitations, we could justify almost anything... kind of like Christmas. God! The money the government wastes is maddening. I've seen it first hand, and there seems to be nothing you can do to stop it. I'm retired now...thank God. My blood pressure is just getting back to a normal high. :eek:

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The government spending is like a huge gravy train on auto pilot sooner or later it will derail...
 

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I'm assuming that they a policy that defines 'years of service' for equipment and t's probably a rolling replacement program. Just like they will replace their vehicles after certain mileage for liability purposes. It may not make sense but then that is the State Legal Dept decision. JMHO
 

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Does seem silly if they are replacing with the same models. Pretty hard to wear out a Glock. It may be some Federal Grant money they are trying to spend.
 

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Hi,

I see this is an older thread but, to shed some light...The department probably had "fallout" money...money that will be lost the following year if not spent in the current year. Asinine for sure but that's how my AF outfit handled it each year. Our bosses would come around near the end of the fiscal year and ask what we wanted...there weren't many limitations, we could justify almost anything... kind of like Christmas. God! The money the government wastes is maddening. I've seen it first hand, and there seems to be nothing you can do to stop it. I'm retired now...thank God. My blood pressure is just getting back to a normal high. :eek:
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sounds about right..use it or lose it...
 

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Part of the answer lies in how the military budget has grown over the last 10 years from 300 Billion a year to 750 Billion a year, I`m guessing they think the taxpayer has very deep pockets.
Mine are deep because I cut the bottoms off of 'em...If I don't have anything in them, there's nothing to tax... i.e., spend all that money on guns...lol..:p
 

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Mine are deep because I cut the bottoms off of 'em...If I don't have anything in them, there's nothing to tax... i.e., spend all that money on guns...lol..:p
lol...that made absolutely no sense...a lot like government...:p:):cool::p:):cool::p:):cool::p:):cool::confused::confused::confused:
 

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The PD I work for issues the 17 and 19. The guns we (Gen3) had still had bright night sites and most had less than 1000 rounds through them. They replaced them with new Gen4 guns just because they were given so much on the trade ins that it cost practically nothing.
 

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The PD I work for issues the 17 and 19. The guns we (Gen3) had still had bright night sites and most had less than 1000 rounds through them. They replaced them with new Gen4 guns just because they were given so much on the trade ins that it cost practically nothing.
I had read (unverified of course) that it costs Glock approx $100 to manufacture a gun. So Glock takes the trade-ins with little or no money from the purchasing agency and sells the trade-ins to dealers, making money and keeping the Glock handgun in public view in Police holsters.

Does that sound reasonable?
 

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certainly not taking the side of the government but glock does offer some great deals to le departments. not only on the new stuff but high trades on the old stuff. not needed probably but very costly on the grand scale i wouldn't think so.
 

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What Glock is doing is very reasonable. Plus we are offered the chance to buy our gun if we'll pay as much as the department can get on a trade it. I would have if mine had been in good shape but unfortunately the left side (the side outside of me in the holster) was scarred up pretty bad from a ground fight. I might have still bought it but $425 seemed a bit much to me for a scarred up gun even with night sites. Of course if I retire one day I can also buy it for just $25. :)
 

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What Glock is doing is very reasonable. Plus we are offered the chance to buy our gun if we'll pay as much as the department can get on a trade it. I would have if mine had been in good shape but unfortunately the left side (the side outside of me in the holster) was scarred up pretty bad from a ground fight. I might have still bought it but $425 seemed a bit much to me for a scarred up gun even with night sites. Of course if I retire one day I can also buy it for just $25. :)
stipple jpb should take care of the scaring.
 

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stipple jpb should take care of the scaring.
Probably would have but I can just wait and buy the current one. Hopefully they won't get as much for this one so I can buy it a little cheaper. I think the grip texture of the Gen1-3 guns is perfect. My current is a Gen4 so I would have it redone. I'm not a fan of RTF as those little dots keep getting damaged on mine. My personal carry guns never see the kind of abuse my duty guns do so if it were an off duty it wouldn't be an issue.
 

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Both the wife and myself have Gen II Glocks...her's is a 19 in 9mm and mine is a 23 in .40 S&W...and we don't consider them to be old, worn-out, needing to be replaced, etc. While I may need to replace the springs in them at some point, I don't consider them as needing to be replaced...ever! Great gun! Also, some consider the Gen II's to be the best functioning of the Glock pistols!
 
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