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Recently became interested in handguns, home defense, shooting in general. Just bought my first Glock (Glock 26 Gen 4).

Democrat, but extremely pro gun rights, especially after learning about gun laws around the country and finding I live in the worst possible state for someone who wants to protect himself, his wife, his daughter, in home or vehicle.

Can't believe my luck that I recently moved to the only state in the nation without CCW. Bought a Glock subcompact after having shot a number of a buddy's guns last month ago and being most impressed with his G 23 chambered for both .40 and 9mm.

I occasionally take extended (five to ten day) backcountry kayaking trips in Missouri and Michigan and wanted the G subcompact because it's lightweight, can be open carried on the front of my lifevest (OC legal in MO and MI with my FOID), will fire wet and muddy, and is easy to clean in the field. Had used a Ruger LCR 357 for OC when camping but wanted more rounds. Meth labs in both states are everywhere and I'd rather have a handgun than just a paddle even if I'm up against yahoos with AR-15s. Missouri has the densest stats for meth incidents in the nation and I do a lot of my backcountry trips there.

If you ask me, we need more Democrats in this fight. If we can reframe this issue in a way that's less partisan and just plain old more American, it's my hope we can, locally, get CCW in Illinois sooner and, nationally, make gun control laws less over-the-top.

It's tough though, as I have some Dem friends who think guns are evil (that's literally the word one used to describe my Ruger a few years ago). My kayaking buddies however are an unpredictable mix of anti- and pro-gun Republican and Democrat (a cop who's a Dem and pro gun control and a cop who's a Republican and always has a gun near him; to a Dem friend who most often has at least one on his person and another in his truck etc) -- and some of the best campfire arguments we have is around firearms. It's easy for us to keep it civil, and pretty jovial, though, as when we're on the water we put our lives in one others' hands. That tends to help us keep it real.

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Welcome to the forum! I wish you luck in your search for more pro gun Democrats.
 

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Welcome to the forum! I wish you luck in your search for more pro gun Democrats.
Thanks! I think I might need it. :)
 

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Thanks for the welcome!

And if there are any other Democrats out there who are for gun ownership, or if any of you know some, there is finally a forum for us:

Welcome to Democrats for Gun Ownership - Democrats for Gun Ownership, Armed with Knowledge to Protect Your Second Amendment Rights

We need to start teaming up on this. The party needs to change.
Hi ankle. Thanks for sending that link. I had no idea such an organization existed or that there were so many Pro-gun Dems. I can pretty much take one look at somebody and tell you all about them but there are exceptions to every rule. Take me for instance. I'm a 55-YO white male, have a CCP, own handguns, shotguns, black rifles, belong to a shooting club and the NRA, ride a Harley as my daily transportation to work, live in the South, and am a firm believer in fiscal responsibility. So there's maybe a 1-in-100 chance I'm a Democrat, and you could get rich betting that people in my demographic are right-wing teabaggers. But I believe every issue has two sides and don't really feel "extreme" on any position and consider myself a political moderate, siding with either party depending on the issue. It's the social issues that dictate that I'll never be a Republican.

But mess with me or my family and you'll bring out the right-winger in me. I believe in justice more than anything.

Looks like you doubled the number of non-conservatives here by joining! :D
 

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Thanks for the welcome!

And if there are any other Democrats out there who are for gun ownership, or if any of you know some, there is finally a forum for us:

Welcome to Democrats for Gun Ownership - Democrats for Gun Ownership, Armed with Knowledge to Protect Your Second Amendment Rights

We need to start teaming up on this. The party needs to change.
You got that right. The Democrats and the Republicans have been infiltrated by Communists, Socialists and Progressive Marxists. Both parties need to clean house.
Here is just one example

[video=youtube_share;8BtuSioq-pU]http://youtu.be/8BtuSioq-pU[/video]
 

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A little flustered, eh...? lol..just goes to show that we should really listen to these folks....we might find out who they are... :rolleyes:
 

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Hi ankle. Thanks for sending that link. I had no idea such an organization existed or that there were so many Pro-gun Dems. I can pretty much take one look at somebody and tell you all about them but there are exceptions to every rule. Take me for instance. I'm a 55-YO white male, have a CCP, own handguns, shotguns, black rifles, belong to a shooting club and the NRA, ride a Harley as my daily transportation to work, live in the South, and am a firm believer in fiscal responsibility. So there's maybe a 1-in-100 chance I'm a Democrat, and you could get rich betting that people in my demographic are right-wing teabaggers. But I believe every issue has two sides and don't really feel "extreme" on any position and consider myself a political moderate, siding with either party depending on the issue. It's the social issues that dictate that I'll never be a Republican.

But mess with me or my family and you'll bring out the right-winger in me. I believe in justice more than anything.

Looks like you doubled the number of non-conservatives here by joining! :D
Jack, thanks for that. Yeah, the more I hang out with my boater buddies (the most politically diverse community I hang with, both men and women), the more I see we're all a mix of different inclinations, biases, assumptions and attitudes. Doesn't break down into red and blue. We all mean well, are devoted to the good, and we all like a good joke. And who we each are politically really doesn't matter to us -- no grudges if you or your boat are pinned in a rapid: it's just an extra something to have enjoyable arguments about and rib each other on. One of my favorite people is a former LEO and personal protection specialist who is rabidly right wing and teaches self-defense classes to women in St Louis. Super great guy. And we joke about how we can't be friends. So yeah, I totally agree: people are more complex than a lot of us let on. Get me: I'm a vegan (!), very pro animal welfare, academic (we're a pretty left-wing bunch), do yoga and I meditate. Right? You'd think I was an absolute commie (and I do incline toward democratic socialism). But I also believe in fiscal responsibility and thrift, respect police no matter who they are politically, and I love guns and believe in the right to protect my family with deadly force (and frankly to overthrow the government if necessary, just as the founders intended if need be). And I'm a fan of Rory Miller and Clint Smith et al.: we each should prepare for the bad luck that we are all subject to: running across a violent predator. They're out there: I used to work with violent felons (25 years to life: they. are. not. built like normal people). I've been subject to a home invasion, so I've felt it: violence comes out of the blue and is extremely confusing in those crucial first seconds. Some people are beyond reason, have very serious cognitive and emotional deficits. Violence happens and we should prepare for it even in the midst of our normally calm every day lives. So yeah, totally with you on the whole justice thing. Mess with me or mine, and I won't stop until I've stopped you.

Also, never understood Harleys! (Don't everybody hit me at once). :)

Anyway, thanks for the reply. Good to feel welcome here.
 

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You got that right. The Democrats and the Republicans have been infiltrated by Communists, Socialists and Progressive Marxists. Both parties need to clean house.
Here is just one example

[video=youtube_share;8BtuSioq-pU]http://youtu.be/8BtuSioq-pU[/video]
Wow, that vid is pretty jaw-dropping. Yikes. Not.a.good.idea to socialize corporations like that, and threatening to do so in such an off-hand way is crazy. I mean, socialized organizations can work (look at our military as a good example -- best military in the world because it's government owned and funded -- and even some successful corporations run in socialized ways, Google, Facebook, Microsoft), but I bet it's not even possible to socialize a lot of corporate culture: some kinds of industry, like oil, are just too set in its ways. IMO. But yeah, threatening to do that in that way is beyond weird. And just plain old counterproductive.
 
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