Honestly, the 45 is a great special operations or HD round, but I wouldn't want it if I was on patrol. It's too heavy, and is rounds limited.

I think I'd rather carry 40 S&W or 357 sig. More rounds, lighter weight firearm and ammo, essentially the same power and better barrier penetration, but I don't want to start a caliber war...


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I've seen many departments issue the same pistol to all their officers, and a few who allow their officer's to select a weapon from an 'approved' list of available pistols.

I do like how Indianapolis PD has worked with surrounding departments to select 'compatible' sidearms for their officers (at least as far as I've been told by friends on the department). They selected the G-22 as their 'main' sidearm, with the exception that those who didn't 'fit' the G-22 could take the G-23 (compact) as their sidearm, but they were required to carry two (2) G-22 mags in the double-mag pouch so they would fit the G-22's if needed. The 'preferred' back-up weapon (ankle gun) was the G-27, which would also accept the G-22 mags. I believe Cobb County PD in GA did the same thing?

I actually like that concept...a little flexibility on pistol grip size...same caliber and magazines for back-up! Makes more sense than 'one-size-fits-all' mentality! Glock designed their pistols to function that way...why not take advantage of it?

The wife and I do a similar thing...I purchased a Storm Lake 9mm Conversion barrel for my G-23 to match her G-19 so we can CC the same caliber and magazines when out-n-about together! Doesn't make sense to be mis-matched on those two items if the SHTF!

 

Ironic. The Texas DPS cadets are being issued the M&P 9mm. The majority of the troopers in the field are choosing to keep their Sig's in 357 Sig.

I'm with the others. I love my 45's, but I think a duty gun favers a smaller round.

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Ironic. The Texas DPS cadets are being issued the M&P 9mm. The majority of the troopers in the field are choosing to keep their Sig's in 357 Sig.

I'm with the others. I love my 45's, but I think a duty gun favers a smaller round.

Yes...but the .357SIG out performs both the 9mm and the .45 acp round! It's a great little round! Between the M&P and a Sig Sauer...I'd probably keep the Sig Sauer too!

 

LOL. That is the reason the when the Troopers were given the option to trade their 357 Sig's in for the M&P 9mm they all laughed and said, umm, no...

There a several schools of thought that just depend on your viewpoint. This is almost like saying XXXX is the best deer rifle there is and everyone should have one.

Long story short, I agree with you

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I think cops should get proficient at shooting their weapon. I've seen so many stories of cops shooting so many rounds with only a fraction hitting the person. Fortunate many times as the person was innocent. The caliber doesn't matter if you don't hit your target.

 

Agreed...but the biggest issue is human beings, be them LEO's or not (and not all of whom are capable of) being in the situation where they are having to discharge their weapon...with all of the adrenalin flowing, the tunnel vision, the fear, etc. Until it actually happens, no one really knows how they are going to respond be it correctly (as trained) or 'spray-n-pray' mode! It's not an easy thing to go through!

 

Well Vietnam it wasn't necessarily the inaccuracy and fear. It was more that they were untrained and humans don't tend to want to kill other humans. So they would spray and pray to save face. Hence why we or civilians train with silhouettes This goes alongside everything you stated.

 

I am from PA also and my landlord is a trooper. He was told that the state police got a HUGE contract from Sig not sure how true but that is what was said. Also, the P227 is a hell of a firearm as is the Glock. I agree that the 45acp is a great round but I would go with the 40 or the 357 personally.


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As a LEO I carried my own P220 .45 with my agency until I was issued a Glock 22. I would rather have the P220 or even carry my Glock model 41. I have more confidence in the .45 but I am stuck with the .40 S&W. Bigger holes cause more blood loss and quicker incapacitation. Remember, most handgun cartridges do not have knock down power. The bigger the hole the better. As for capacity, more magazines mean more bullets. It is a personal choice and my choice is .45.

 

When I was with the PSP and they were transitioning to semi-autos from a Ruger wheelgun, a questionnaire was sent out to the firearm instructors asking their input on what to buy to replace the .357's. At the time, I suggested the G17, followed closely by the SIG P226. The suggestion for the G17 was tossed almost immediately since "there is no safety" on the gun. (so much for knowledgeable people doing the buying/making decision). I found out later that SIG had made a whale of an offer which, if I recall, amounted to almost trading gun for gun (one Ruger for one SIG...with very little cash changing hands.) The catch was that SIG wanted to use the PSP in their advertising campaign...much like Beretta did with Connecticut ("Own the gun that guards Connecticut"). As usual, the powers-that-be stuck to their position that the PSP doesn't allow it's name to be associated with product in any advertising whatsoever. That left Beretta who got the contract(much to my chagrin, as I regarded their 92 as a good replacement for a boat anchor. Apologies to Beretta owners here, but that was my opinion.) Now it appears that they're back to where I had originally suggested. It only took them 20 years....

 

I'm a fan of the 1911 and bought a G21 because of the 13 round Mags. I just read an article dealing with the Military switching to the Beretta 40s all except the Special Forces guy's. They still carry the tried and true 1911 because to quote one guy they interviewed " When I pull the trigger I don't have to worry about them getting up" My late Father was a Lifer in the Marine's and he carried his 1911 until the day he died. It's now part of my collection mostly because it was his and it was the first handgun I ever shot and the first handgun I bought. My 16 year old Daughter can shoot a soda can at 25 yards with my Colt, it was the first handgun she ever shot too. 45s are the only caliber I own and we burn 3 to 400 rounds every weekend, yes we reload 2 nights a week. I never had anyone shooting back at me but I would like to think if I did I would certainly score one hit out of 13, I also hope I never need to find out but everyone of my 4 daughters and my wife carry everywhere they go. These days I feel it's a necessary and unfortunate evil.

 

Hmm which services are witchign to beretta 40? I would think with budget cuts we would stick with the 9mm. Either way I can't handle a gun that size, absolutely too large for my hands.