For as long as I can remember, I've been leary of Glocks because I believed they were an accidental discharge waiting to happen. Since obtaining a S&W M&P 9mm Pro, I've started to change my mind about striker-fired pistols. So as I stood ready to buy my very first Glock, the G23 Gen4, I started reading about problems relating to the recoil spring and a heavier than normal trigger pull. There were also people talking about problems at the range with FTF and FTE issues. I would like to solicit opinions from veteran Glock owners as to whether these problems are behind the Gen4 or whether I should wait a while.
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Before I got my Glock I was like you. My carry pistol before my current Glock was an M&P40c. I went from a 1911 to the compact for the weight reduction. I had a hard time adjusting to the .40 after being a .45 ACP guy all my life. I traded the S&W in for a Glock 36. Never looked back. I now carry a light, compact, easy to conceal .45. It is dependable, shoots like a dream out of the box. The only thing I changed was the sights, went to Meprolight night sights. With my old eyes I need the extra ad in low light situations. Trigger pull is in the 4-5 pound range, which is perfect for me. The design of the Gen 4 recoil spring looks heavier, but I've had no problems with shooting and the spring design helps with recoil. Take the plunge. Plastic Fantastic is the way to go.
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Go for the Glock! Compare all the Glocks working great in the World against a few on the internet who have had problems. Police, Federal Agents, Sheriff Depts, Game Wardens, and Military units around the world use Glocks. I too was a big 1911 fan until I bought a Glock. Now I have 7 of them and the few other handguns I have gather dust.
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This is a Glock forum, so most of the comments will be pro Glock. I grew up shooting 1911's and carried a Commander sized Colt for years and I was always comfortable carrying them because they had an external safety. Flash forward to August 2011, when at a IDPA match, a seasoned police officer and experienced IDPA competitior, using s SPringfield 1911 TRP, shot himself in the leg in front of me. Why did it happen? Shooter did not follow the basic rules safety, it was not the gun or the holster's fault.
Any of the striker fired pistols, are going to be as safe as the person using them. They are proven to be reliable and fairly accurate and not ammo specific. One of the big advantages to Glocks, are the amount of products and accessories available. The early Gen 4's did have issues. Glock recognized and reacted to correct them. They centered around the new dual recoil springs. I can tell youl with as clear a conscince as possible, Glock pistols are a dream to own and shoot. If you are not satisfied with the performance of your gun, Glock will do all they can to make it right.
Any of the striker fired pistols, are going to be as safe as the person using them. They are proven to be reliable and fairly accurate and not ammo specific. One of the big advantages to Glocks, are the amount of products and accessories available. The early Gen 4's did have issues. Glock recognized and reacted to correct them. They centered around the new dual recoil springs. I can tell youl with as clear a conscince as possible, Glock pistols are a dream to own and shoot. If you are not satisfied with the performance of your gun, Glock will do all they can to make it right.
Thank you all for your kind advice. My present CCW is a Sig Sauer P239 DAK in 40SW. Fully loaded, it weighs about 36 oz. I figure that if I can increase my firepower while lessening my carry weight, that would be a good thing. So with this G23 Gen4 purchase and some range time, I should be on my way to modernizing my way of thinking and improving my weaponry.
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Gen4 G23s are good to go. Problems with the early Gen4's were with the 9mm models.
Buy, shoot and enjoy for life.
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I have four gen4s all have been flawless. I am new to the Glock and wished I has been buying them all along. Bought 4 in five months and a G21 gen4 ordered. Buy one and don't look back.
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hey modraker, I have used many guns over the years including wheel guns. I feel just as comfortable with Glock as I do with a .45 on an open chamber. This guy has some videos up about the Glock trigger assembly, he also had one where he dragged a new Glock behind a truck to see if he could it to drop the pin, and couldn't do it. These guns are as safe as the hands they are in.
Today, I picked up my very first Glock. It's a G23 Gen4 and I haven't shot it yet but I love it already. Fully loaded, it weighs less than my present CCW, a Sig Sauer P239 DAK, and it has a few more rounds in the magazine. It does have a small flaw that I wish the folks at Glock spent more time thinking about. The finger grooves are too small for my average sized hand. Overall though, I am quite happy with it and I can't wait to take it to the range.
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I think you'll love it!
Some folks take a Dremel to the groves, but you might find they're OK for you when firing.
Let us know how you like it once you've taken it for a spin.
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congrats. You will love it.
I put 200 rounds through my G23 this morning and it functioned flawlessly. The trigger pull was just right for me, the shells ejected where they should and the accuracy, as well as I am able to shoot, was excellent. The finger groove humps right under my fingers and the pyramid dots made me wish I had one of those rubber sleeves on the grip instead. A call to Glock's polite but firm customer service confirmed what I feared - if I take off the humps, I void the warranty.
So, what I have is an excellent carry firearm that I have to shoot a couple of thousand more times before I dare void the warranty so I can have a comfortable grip. Whatever made Glock put those stupid finger grooves on an otherwise wonderful pistol?
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You could always look for a gen 2 - no groves and very cheap. Doesn't help with your new one though
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Yes, Glock reports that "all" spring problems have been corrected. However, in the event not "all" of the problems have been corrected just give them a call and they will check your spring creation date and replace at no charge if necessary.
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